I am really thankful to Sri Naveen Joshi for putting forward his wise comment on the issue. For me, it’s a good opening as Naveen is a learned person, a very seasoned journalist and at present is Resident Editor of Dainik Hindustan ( Hindustan Times Group), Lucknow. It will be my pleasures if more journalists take out few moments from their priceless time to let me and others readers know their views on this topic. Again thanks to Naveen with one expectation that he will allow me to reserve my right to answer the points raised by him in appropriate time. (11.12a.m.)
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After a lot of jiggling, I came to one conclusion that I must make some of the important comments, part of my Blog, so that others can go through them & then make their own opinion. Here I will like to make one more thing clear that I had personally requested Naveen Joshi to surf the Blog & comment. One line for Naveen – (what I want to say?). Simple ! It’s the title of the Blog & heading of the first post i.e. Gandhi vs Ambedkar- no match and “Futile fight”. Rest of my answers are reserved with Naveen’s permission.
See what Sri Joshi said:
Naveen said...
Dear Manoj,
I just rushed through ur comments and I am sorry to say that I just could not make out what you really wanted to argue about. I am neither an expert on Gandhi- Ambedkar nor on the Constitution, so it is difficult for me to give opinion on ur detailed analysis. What I could gather from my futkar readings that inspite of all his "crusade" for Harijans, as he fondly called them, Mahatma just wanted upper casts to go through a change of heart and give proper respect to Harijans. He wanted to do away with untouchability where as Ambedkar was rightly fighting for the grave injustice meted out to the lower casts by the upper cast dominated society. He was making his people to revolt against the whole brahmnical order that had made dalits its slaves. If dalits are enjoying the power today, though it is just a begining, credit goes to Ambedkar. He started the movement to empower them politically and socially. That is why Ambedkar is a real Hero for dalits whereas Mahatma is a villain for them.
BSP leaders' grabing lands and other property is a minor thing compared to the political empowerment that the dalits are enjoying all over UP and in some other states.
Thanks and all the best.
Naveen Joshi
June 27, 2008 1:23 AM
17 years ago
3 comments:
I am the most unwanted, uncalled guest in your debate. Subject was exciting, so I am jumping here. Blog writer has exclusively invited journalists and I am not. Temptations are high as I am from India, worked in Thames Secondary School as associate professor for almost 3 decades (Thames-Coromandel (district), New Zealand). My subject in doctoral studies was Gandhi and his chosen path for Independence with creating social harmony at village level and abolition of untouchability. So the great scholar of India , Mr BR Ambedkar is also part of my studies & of my thinking till date.
Sorry for tresspassing but can’t give tacit nodding acceptance.
My first question is why we call him Mahatma? He was a total political person, a visionary. He faught for Independence, social justice and for many other causes.But he was not the sole example on this path. Many came before, many will come in future, then why this suffix of Mahatma? Let him be a common human being with high ethical values. I think this suffix of Mahatma is degrading him as now the concept of life has changed. Every one want to grab more & more, whatever is the path/rout, even if by routing their own family and home.
Now coming on the comment , the 1st one, of some Mr. Naveen Joshi, a journalist. What wrong with him I don’t know, but how he reacted is really silly.He says “I rushed through”., I think he has messed up every point.Blog is very clear, if you don’t mess it up, that Gandhi and Abmbedkar are two great ones but from different fields.How he( Journalist) can compare Sachin Tendulkar with Sonia Gandhi?Rather say him and any fashion designer?Blog writer is right on his point.
Further , I will like to inform the journalist that , Ambedkar , the surname, he kept with him till his end, is from a Brahmin clan in Inidia, given by his one of the Teacher and adopted by Bhimrao Ramji himself.
Few more words: The Journalist says “ Ambedkar started the movement to empower them ( dalits) politically and socially”. I With most humble note, I want to know from that learned man, what Ambedkar did & where he did?Where it is written and what are the authentic documentation in support?If he do have, let us , the world know it. Well , my comment is , Joshi had not rushed but he is gushing, which atleast I can not approve.
It’s cent-percent right to say Gandgi and Ambedkar are poles apart.
I said , what came to my mind. I am not requesting you to accept my sayings, even you can ignore my comment.Thanks to Blog writer to start this ‘Debate”.
Pathak. Priya
Respected Manoj tiwari Sir,
I am totally agree that there is no Match between Mohandas Gandhi And Dr.Ambedkar.
I am proud that I know the meaning and duty of an "Advisor"(this word is there in your post) and his/her role, maximum limits of contribution and responsibilities in Indian govt bodies/work.
first difference
1)Mohandas Gandhi (Mahatma is not a legal term and it is given by party)
1)Dr.Ambedkar (I hope you have noticed the abbreviation Dr.)
2)Mohandas Gandhi Bar-at-Law
2)Dr.Ambedkar B.A.,M.A.,M.Sc.,D.Sc.,Ph.D.,L.L.D.,D.Litt.,Barrister-at-Law.
B.A.(Bombay University) Bachelor of Arts,
MA.(Columbia university) Master Of Arts,
M.Sc.( London School of Economics) Master Of Science,
Ph.D. (Columbia University) Doctor of philosophy ,
D.Sc.( London School of Economics) Doctor of Science ,
L.L.D.(Columbia University) Doctor of Laws ,
D.Litt.( Osmania University) Doctor of Literature,
Barrister-at-Law (Gray's Inn, London) law qualification for a lawyer to practice law in royal court of England.
1) Gandhi was from rich modhi baniya community, Ambedkar from poor mahar ati shudra community.
2) Gandhi took 10 minutes to reach his fathers dead body from his room to his fathers room, Ambedkar took 20 hrs to reach his dying father from Baroda to Mumbai.
4) Gandhi was Matric barrister (No Degree, like diploma of today) while Ambedkar was Doctorate barrister (eight degrees).
5) Gandhi served as major in South African Army before practicing Law in SA, Ambedkar taught as professor in Sydneham College before practicing Law in Mumbai.
6) Gandhi worte “My experiments with truth”, Ambedkar’s writings are still being published in 28 volumes. They say 42 volumes will not be enough.
7) Gandhi had Birlas & Goenkas with him to give monetary support for his movement. Ambedkar had only Pawar & Naval Bhetna to give him loan for purchasing books.
8) Gandhi built ashram for khadi gram udyog, Ambedkar built house for keeping books and built colleges for spreading education.
9) Gandhi practiced indriya control (as written in his bio), Ambedkar married second time with Doctor for degrading health reason.
10) Gandhi did not advocate reservation for OBC, Ambedkar resigned from ministry for OBC reservation.
11) Gandhi is not responsible for partition . Tilak and Jinah had passed this resolution in 1917 itself. Ambedkar did not divide India into caste , it is done through texts like Manusmriti, Purush Sukta, Tatriya Brahman etc.
12) Gandhi was killed by circumcisioned Nathuram Godse , Ambedkar died in sleep (debate).
13) Gandhi was fond of spinning cotton, Ambedkar was fond of reading Books.
14) Gandhi claimed to be leader of harijans and showed 2 telegrams in 2nd round table conference, Ambedkar did not claim to be leader of harijans but showed thousand telegrams in the same meeting.
15) Gandhi refused to give equal human status to Shudras and advocated 4 varna (vertical) system, Ambedkar committed his life for equal human status to Shudras and asked Gandhi if he can give the same 4 varna (horizontal) system. Gandhi denied.
16) Gandhi described Shudras as harijans (Children of God) but did not describe upper caste as children of whom. Ambedkar said that calling Shudras as harijans means the same.
17) Gandhi could do all work with help of many prominent leaders and moneyed people, Ambedkar did all things single-handedly.
18) Gandhi never fought election. Ambedkar lost lok sabha election to 7th pass congress candidate But he won Rajya Sabha election from Jasor & Khulna dist of Bengal, and because of which these districts were given to bangle desh considering the prople of this places as defectors to congress.
19) Gandhi went on fast to death in Poona against empowerment of so called his harijans. Ambedkar in reluctance signed the Poona pact and saved his life.
So pl there is no comparison
Sir,browse on following link (The contents in the following link require years to understand fully)
http:drambedkarbooks.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/selected-work-of-dr-b-r-ambedkar.pdf
VICTORY
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